Episode 258: Holding Anxiety and Stress in the Body with Natalie Tilton
Written By Kelli Walker
Join Kelli and guest Natalie Tilton, Physical Therapist, as they discuss how holding patterns of anxiety and stress can show up in the body, as well as various evidence-based modalities that can interrupt and heal this holding pattern.
Transcript
00:00.00
kelliwalkercoaching
Hey guys welcome to not another anxiety show I'm your host Kelly Walker and joining me today is guest Natalie till and hey natalie good good I'm so glad you could be here. Yeah yeah.
00:06.44
Natalie Tilton
Hi How are yeah thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
00:15.76
kelliwalkercoaching
Do you mind if I share a little bit more about you with our listeners before we dive on in beautiful. So Natalie is a doctor of physical therapy and owner of ability allies. She knew she wanted to be a physical therapist at a very young age fascinated with medical practice.
00:18.74
Natalie Tilton
Yeah, 100%
00:33.99
kelliwalkercoaching
And Sports Rehab along with a strong passion for caring and assisting others Natalie received her undergraduate degrees in rehabilitation science with a minor in psychology while competing on the varsity field hockey team winning 3 conference championships and graduated with her doctorate's degree in physical therapy. But playing for the new england regional and olympic qualifier field hockey teams receiving the student athlete award for excellence in academics and athletics from Northeastern University in Boston Massachusetts Natalie has over 15 years of clinical experience working directly in the fields of Orthopedics post-operative recovery. Sports Rehab Aquatic therapy pediatrics and pulmonary rehab with a variety of clinical skills. She is able to evaluate complex conditions and discover the root cause of dysfunction in order to develop the most effective treatment plan for each patient's individual needs natalie is dedicated to implementing her knowledge and passion for health. And wellness to guide individuals to successfully optimize their function and overall quality of life and you can find natalie at wwwwww.abilityalies.com and at ability allies for various social media tags like Instagram and Facebook and all that stuff. So. Natalie we actually met um at an open house right? back in November and I remember really like ah, resonating with you because you're like I've always wanted to help people I'm interested in clinical practice and you know you're like I thought about being a doctor but I really don't like blood and guts and I'm like I'm with you I am a nurse at tu.
02:06.11
kelliwalkercoaching
Love Bodily fluids right? I'll do it if I have to but.
02:11.58
Natalie Tilton
Um, that's okay, yeah oh that's awesome. Yeah I Do I do remember and I very much enjoyed meeting you and and a lot of. Other entrepreneurs that was there. But yeah I I Definitely remember that everyone was you know, kind of describing Really you know what? what they did for their business. Are they you know we do different types of treatments or different types of athletics for ah, different people. There was like a spa person there you know.
02:38.50
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
02:38.57
Natalie Tilton
And I remember it being my turn and I was like I'm going to tell you the story about Forest bump and how how I fell in love with treating people and really you know helping the underdogs out there when.
02:46.69
kelliwalkercoaching
Ah.
02:53.84
Natalie Tilton
When their their bodies or their injuries are holding them back just like in the movie Forest Gump where he had his braces on and he was running ah braces falling off and he's running like the wind and I literally I was twelve years old watching that movie. Not. Necessarily sure identifying where I wanted to be in the medical field. Um, and just saying yes like this is this is where I want to be I want to help people. Um I want to help them run or throw a ball or play a sport or this or that. But.
03:15.19
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
03:31.40
Natalie Tilton
Anything that just feels like it is holding you back in your life I Want to make these abilities possible for people and help them ah achieve achieve more more in their life than what their injury is holding them back with.
03:46.66
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, and it's I mean it's a beautiful thing The the medical world. The medical field is um, expansive. So it's easy enough to find our corner right? where we can help and in our ways and yeah, you're you're doing amazing things. Do you mind if I ask. Um.
03:53.41
Natalie Tilton
Um, right? yeah.
04:04.19
kelliwalkercoaching
You know how often do you see issues. You know to be like associated with like stress or anxiety or or burnout like how how do these you know issues typically show up for people physically.
04:21.96
Natalie Tilton
Oh 100%. There is a huge correlation between any type of um, psychologically induced based stress and ah and the correlative concept of Muscle. Um. Ah, impairment if you will So um, even when it comes to there are studies out there that show an Mri you know of somebody um, having any kind of emotional stress um or emotional components that are correlative with like you know that.
04:38.00
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
04:56.20
Natalie Tilton
The tension especially a lot of people will come in with um, spinal based issues whether it is in their the neck the cervical spine or especially the lower back and first more when anything is you know, heightened in terms of um.
05:02.70
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
05:06.50
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
05:13.87
Natalie Tilton
Strain a strain in your in your mental health. Ah absolutely, they're coming in with more of a cement you know, block kind of feeling on their on their upper trapeius and Whatnot. Um, and so it's super important I think it's really valuable. Um, in ah in a person's care to be able to have a really great connection with any medical provider right? Not just with like with me in physical Therapy. We're very personal with each other in terms of you know I'm I'm evaluating whatever body part they're they're coming in for in terms of. Their neck. You know having a lot of tension and and yeah, that's absolutely a conversation that we have where hey what's what's going on in your life. What's causing you any kind of stress or anxiety and we talk about principles of the treatment that I can help them with physically but then also.
05:57.61
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
06:07.55
Natalie Tilton
Coming up with some strategies in in certain circumstances that can assist their their physical. Well-being um in addition to their emotional well-being to just really try to um, try to provide them with a conglomerate Of. Of strategies that can assist them with their with their pain reduction and whatnot.
06:31.60
kelliwalkercoaching
Well, yeah I was going to say I've often worked like in primary care and health promotion and health prevention and I'm doing that some of that now in my work and we often. Um, we never hesitate to send people. To physical therapists like there's a running joke like they're magical and I think a lot of people have this um preconceived notion that it's like you go to a physical therapist like and then you get a set of exercises but you guys do some really cool stuff for like.
06:56.97
Natalie Tilton
Um, yeah.
06:59.84
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, like cool treatments and whatnot to like reduce that sort of chronic holding pattern of tension and stress and it's It's so much more than like here's you a list of ah exercises you need to do I Know that can be a piece of it. But yeah, we we never hesitate as as just part, you know as part of the.
07:11.40
Natalie Tilton
Um, yes.
07:18.55
kelliwalkercoaching
As part of the plan is part of the resources for people that are struggling with stress and anxiety and and Burnout and it does right? like we.
07:24.35
Natalie Tilton
Yeah, absolutely,. It's definitely one of those components and like like exactly what what you noted in terms of when you're having a chronic pattern with your pain and and you can find that it's associated with. Um, anxiety stress and whatnot your muscles and your neurological um the neurological tension that is withheld in those muscles. That's really what what creates the environment for injury or risk of injury I should say.
08:00.90
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
08:01.26
Natalie Tilton
So you know you get in a situation where you've got these chronic tendencies or patterns where you're You're constantly feeling like your shoulders are up to your ears. You know that like frightened you know, kind of state that anxious state where.
08:10.51
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that hunched or or like I know for me I turn into a shrimp like everything just contracts and it's like there's this 100% there's this funny meme of a shrimp and it's like why my back.
08:19.55
Natalie Tilton
That much. Um, one for saying Yes, Oh yeah.
08:29.35
kelliwalkercoaching
Be hurt and and it's like well I've hunched over at a ninety degree angle like.
08:35.10
Natalie Tilton
Posturally you know you're kind of concaving into that fetal position. The shrimp position if you will. It's your body's net natural mechanism of trying to guard trying to protect that cell but the biggest component of that neurological core correlation is that your nerves.
08:38.53
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
08:45.18
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
08:54.23
Natalie Tilton
Now given a period of time in that state your body doesn't recognize or realize that it's in a state of tension or that it's in a state of distress it thinks that that your muscle tension is at a zero or a 1
09:04.72
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
09:09.90
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah, yeah.
09:11.11
Natalie Tilton
When really It's like a 5 or 6 out of 10 and by the time the patients are coming to me with neck pain or back pain or any type of issues and I can feel it. You know that's the thing is a lot of when when you said that we you know we do so much more than your standard practices of care. You know we we and me and my staff have gone through a series of certifications and experiences where we are really trying to provide these high-quality services where in that situation. We're taking a look at them and saying hey you know I'm realizing. That this is more than just a simple muscle strain. This is this feels like a neurological component that your entire muscle has a state of tension to it that we need to address. We can address it in multitude of ways. Whether it's um, decompression techniques whether it's manual. Um, I'm sorry whether it's and more um, manual work. Ah, active release technique grasston work dry needling and really we are doing all of these different approaches of whatever is appropriate specifically for the patient.
10:09.50
kelliwalkercoaching
Oh that's okay.
10:15.61
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
10:28.58
Natalie Tilton
But um, a big part of that like like like what you're indicating is more of the recognition of hey did you know that your muscles are your muscles are constantly at like a 5 out of 10 tension here. You know right.
10:41.16
kelliwalkercoaching
And we don't notice it. That's that it becomes so commonplace or so automated. You know it's like unless someone points it out. It's the same with like low level like chronic hyperventilation like sometimes we just don't notice like. Um, my god I am low level hyperventilating like most of the day and had no clue right? It's like geez. No wonder Wonderman fight or flight.
11:02.14
Natalie Tilton
Um, absolutely absolutely yes, yes, yes, the fight or flight is is is 100% a bigger issue I feel like that is coming up today. Um.
11:15.26
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
11:17.69
Natalie Tilton
Than in any other time in in our in our fields here and I do have to say that you know with after Covid The pandemic tension levels are high. People have had a lot of changes in their lifestyle in their careers.
11:24.32
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, it's a lock a lock.
11:33.92
Natalie Tilton
Like you're indicating The burnout is pretty high and then not for nothing but like energy drinks you know in my in my little subtle soap box here. Um, you know there's There's so many influences um in our lives that can Contribute. Um. To that epinephrine response where your body and your brain doesn't understand whether it's being chased by a bear in that moment or whether you just had too many drinks and stress in your life that are leading up to this hormonal response that.
11:53.46
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
12:01.75
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah, right.
12:06.44
kelliwalkercoaching
Wow.
12:12.13
Natalie Tilton
Then affects your your nerves and those synapses are firing firing firing to cause all of this type of tension.
12:12.89
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
12:21.51
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, and you know you really you really are you started to touch on this already and I know um, we're kind of in a new era. You know again in primary care. 1 of the most common diagnoses we see is low back pain right? So we're in this new. Know we're in a new era and you're like you know cutting edge in this this arena but we're in a new era of understanding chronic pain and I know you know recent research regarding chronic pain and really other chronic physical symptoms or somatic symptoms right? like fatigue tension headaches ibs whatever suggests that you know these chronic symptoms.
12:49.17
Natalie Tilton
Um, that's for holding me.
12:56.29
kelliwalkercoaching
Are in part unknowingly learned and innocently reinforce sort of like the dark side of neuroplasticity. You know we we talked about this actually in a previous episode just sort of the principles of neuroplasticity and like the light and and dark side. You know for for better or worse right? um.
13:03.10
Natalie Tilton
Um, so.
13:10.20
Natalie Tilton
For.
13:15.80
kelliwalkercoaching
And you know I've I've heard this term neuroplastic pain and I mean it makes sense that we get caught in these unconscious holding patterns right in response to physical discomfort. You know it really sends a ah danger signal that are that we can. Um.
13:21.49
Natalie Tilton
With you.
13:31.10
kelliwalkercoaching
Get sort of caught cyclically reacting to so I'd be curious to know if you have like any stories around this or like any success stories around this where you've seen patients sort of in this chronic holding pattern and if they've so kind of slowly started to unfold again I Think. Pt is such an you know it can be. We think we just go there for like you know our knee hairs my lower but like it's such an untapped resource for like overall health and wellbeing I think it goes into It's so much deeper than most people realize. So Yeah, I'm just curious. Do you have any like stories or have you.
13:50.21
Natalie Tilton
To.
14:06.69
kelliwalkercoaching
Have you seen this holding pattern a bit have you seen people come out of this holding pattern and you.
14:11.20
Natalie Tilton
Oh 100% yeah um yeah and I think that honestly sometimes there are times where people will come in and you can tell right off the bat that they have been holding onto pain.
14:27.76
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah, heavy. Yep.
14:28.23
Natalie Tilton
For years and you tell in their personality in their perhaps like skepticism of you know what are you going to do for me type of deal. You know you could tell that um just and with their general manner that.
14:36.91
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, naturally.
14:45.81
Natalie Tilton
That they have. They're defeated they bear down exactly exactly and so one of the biggest components that an approach that I really take with every single patient but specifically this is my number one go to for these types of ah patients.
14:48.28
kelliwalkercoaching
They're way down literally right? like yeah literally weighted down.
15:05.53
Natalie Tilton
Is We are going to try to target the root cause and that root cause physically for me in in regards to the patient is going to be trying to find that the holding pattern of. Where the pain is really truly stemming from on a physical physical basis that is then causing disruption in their physiological components. Um, and so that might be you know someone might come to me. Um for Knee pain.
15:23.26
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah me.
15:39.61
Natalie Tilton
But I'm not really looking at their knee I'm looking at their hips are there? Yeah yeah, are their hips out of alignment you know and I'm checking all of the systems and having somebody that's knowledgeable and having this um this experience with.
15:42.52
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah, you guys are Magician see it says right.
15:59.45
Natalie Tilton
With working with people on that level is really important. Um because you can really go anywhere. You know what I mean and and someone might look at your knee and say you know yeah you might have a little Arthritis there. Um, but you know and yes, you might really have a little Arthritis there. But um. Looking at all of the subsystems of what is going up and down the kinetic chain and how is that influencing the knee and what percentage of that Arthritis in the knee is causing you actual pain or is it a combination of things is that knee turned inwards a little bit and causing.
16:29.73
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
16:38.10
Natalie Tilton
What's called a valgus stress on that that mccl or the medial meniscus there um is your foot a little too flat. Is it overproneating that is also contributing to that postural malalignment of the knee and so when you're standing your knees are kind of causing to be.
16:57.30
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:57.86
Natalie Tilton
Knockate if you will. That's that val guformity there. Um, you know, but additionally is that causing your patellala to come out of whack. You know so the true, the true root cause might not be so specific and identifiable at the exact area of pain. You know, but all of these contributing factors if your ankle is 30% of the knee pain the cause of the knee pain and your hip is 40% of the cause of knee pain. But then your patella is another 30% I mean if you're only treating the knee. You're only fixing 30% of that chronic issue. Um, so yeah, there are times where patients will come into me I'm thinking of this 1 person in particular who um was saying that she has had muscle tightness in a specific area.
17:34.64
kelliwalkercoaching
Brave.
17:51.32
Natalie Tilton
Her entire life and she literally thought that it was normal. Um, normal for for her to experience this and we actually did a stent of dry needling um to to this area and she after 2 treatments of dry needling. Um, she came back in for her third appointment and and was practically in tears. Um, and she said I've never felt like this my entire life I can do yoga now I can do I can actually stretch my hips in areas that.
18:13.98
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
18:21.61
kelliwalkercoaching
See them.
18:28.34
Natalie Tilton
I've literally never been able to do before and this story of course is more about you know like it. It definitely was magical. You know it was like a magical moment but but that's the thing is you know somebody in terms of feeling that defeat. Um, you know.
18:36.37
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
18:45.28
Natalie Tilton
Still have hope out there and and just to understand that you might need to just go to somebody um or some practice that can actually really connect with you and understand you and really care about what it is. You're wanting to achieve in your life. Um, even I've had.
19:04.52
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
19:05.24
Natalie Tilton
Another patient recently who has come in um and with his his relationship with his primary care um has had chronic body pains like bodywide pains Unoscured. Fatigue and unrenowed unresolved um, muscle and joint pain and he's in his early 40 s you know this is not supposed to supposed to happen you know unless you've got something really wrong and the primary care was um.
19:34.30
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
19:39.59
Natalie Tilton
The primary care finally had indicated that he had a B twelve deficiency. Um, and it's like you know, no one really would have identified that unless unless you really went to somebody who you explaining all of these symptoms and telling your story and having.
19:44.80
kelliwalkercoaching
Are we.
19:58.82
Natalie Tilton
The person who has that degree you know that medical degree and and to listen to you and figure out piecing the puzzles together look These are the strategies. We're going to take and this is the approach we're going to take to help make you feel better. Um, that's honestly one of my favorite things.
20:12.47
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
20:18.21
Natalie Tilton
About what I do is helping people that have these um experiences where you know they've they've tried this. They've tried that I've they've gone to this this this and that person and then I just. Sit down with them for our hour long sessions and I'm like I'm here for you I'm here to listen to you and I hear their story and we can really go get into the root cause of what what is going on with them and those. The feedback that I get whether it's their next appointment or um in an email or whatnot and they're like this is the best that I've felt ever in in 4 years in 6 years and this and that.
21:04.92
kelliwalkercoaching
In 6 years yeah it's that that power of listening I think often goes undervalued like as we should value clinical skills and clinical knowledge and experience absolutely. But um, you know I think we think of that power of listening as a bit woo-woo and it's like well a lot of. A lot of um, a lot happens there right? Like if we are really showing up for somebody like this is the art of coaching when people are like what is a big part I'm like it's the power of listening. It might not sound like a lot but it's amazing. What we can hear what we can uncover what we can explore what can shift when there's that real.
21:28.53
Natalie Tilton
Um, yeah.
21:42.65
kelliwalkercoaching
Grounded listening not everybody gets space for that like how often right? We all live crazy busy like you know, but.
21:46.26
Natalie Tilton
sure sure yeah I'm thinking yeah and even I think of another another case, another another patient that had come to me and said that she had six years of arm pain. So her arm was just hurting and in various ways whether it was like numbness or tingling or weakness in her in her forearm and everyone um she she had said that you know everyone everyone says that it's tennis elbow.
22:06.30
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
22:17.57
Natalie Tilton
And she was doing um you know treatment for it. The typical treatment for tennis Elbow might be some massage. Um, um at the like extensor carbile or Alnais and radialis. So it's like the the forearm muscles.
22:22.46
kelliwalkercoaching
And.
22:30.31
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
22:32.37
Natalie Tilton
Um, you might massage or or treat all of those areas to try to loosen up certain certain musculature. You might put a brace on it to try to provide some compression to the area. Um, but she said you know this is this is ridiculous. You know this is another one that was in tears like. You know how? how is this not resolved is this is this inflammation really occurring again and again and again or what am I doing you know a little self self-blame what am I doing wrong type of thing and um, working with her for a few sessions I said to her has anyone ever.
23:01.77
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
23:09.33
Natalie Tilton
Looked at your neck. You know just has anyone ever looked at your cervical spine and she's like well no, not really and I said would you hope would you be open for me to you know, check that out and see see if ah if if we do provide any change to it then we know that. This is another component of what's what's influencing your pain pattern here and sure enough I do some tractioning on her neck I Do an oipitol release I do some mobilizations to make sure everything that is in correct alignment decompression work with her and. She cut that that right there was the ticket you know and what what can happen and what can be easily. Um, Miss Missed is that there are so many other influences. The the body is connected everywhere and sometimes it's not.
23:43.11
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
23:56.52
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
23:59.54
Natalie Tilton
It's not the 1 issue that is causing all of the pain. It could be a very even spread of other areas or other influences. Um to shift that and so in her case, what was happening was her her disc was.
24:09.64
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, yeah.
24:18.53
Natalie Tilton
It wasn't herniated but it did have a compression towards um the towards towards the nerve that was influencing. Um, that particular nerve root your so your C five nerve root radiates down towards your biceps and goes into. Those extensor muscles in your wrist and so it really ultimately was ah ah essentially a deep rooted cervical issue that was masked by the intense symptoms that she was feeling at the forearm.
24:50.65
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, it you know it. It reminds me like in triaging for nursing how um you know if you have left shoulder pain pain. It could actually be your gall blad or like that referred and and I think you you spoke to this right? It's like.
25:04.82
Natalie Tilton
Um, feeling.
25:08.31
kelliwalkercoaching
Our our body is like inherently interconnected and you know the conventional medical model. Unfortunately not only tries to like separate our mental and physical health like our brains and our bodies. It also like separates the various systems the way we learn and again naturally I guess ease of learning but like. Even in schooling right? It's like it. It separates our various systems and and it's easy to lose sight of like listen our body is 1 interconnected dynamic interacting piece of like machinery for lack of a better word.
25:30.23
Natalie Tilton
Fly.
25:40.30
Natalie Tilton
Right? Yes, yes, yes exactly and I feel too like what I really love about what what I do and and the people I work with as well is that you can go from a couple ends of the spectrum.
25:45.62
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah.
25:56.24
Natalie Tilton
Where you are treating somebody in this capacity where they're On. They're on the injury type of basis and then I also have opportunities to treat like elite level athletes and like with my athletic background and everything it's like that. That also is another component where like you said the body is a machine where you might not have a specific injury but you are just trying to have a performance enhancement. You know I work with some professional athletes on the seacoast area and.
26:26.72
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
26:32.16
Natalie Tilton
Mean That's what we're doing. We are making their body to the most optimized machine. You know one bike and swim at that at that capacity.
26:36.99
kelliwalkercoaching
Right.
26:45.24
Natalie Tilton
Um, and so that's what I love too about physical therapy is that you don't have to have an injury per se you know what I mean to come you can It can be anything does your body need to be helped. You know Absolutely we can help you we can help you do whatever you need to do.
26:50.15
kelliwalkercoaching
Now.
27:02.70
Natalie Tilton
Um, to optimize your function and your range of motion your strength your cardiovascular system. Everything we we are the doctors the doctoral degree in physical therapy is really just the physical and physical component of of your body and and with the medicine there. And that's I I Love it. I Love what I do yes.
27:25.40
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, well thank you so much for coming on the show today and you know letting us I think um, it's we can never have too many resources right? each of us and and a lot of our our listeners tuning in. Experiencing anxiety and stress and burnout and a lot of them are experiencing those somatic physical symptoms sort of like habitually cyclically chronically and um I think we don't usually necessarily the first thing that you know those of us that are struggling were referred to therapy and which is great right? And we we talk with our primary care. But.
27:53.46
Natalie Tilton
Yes.
27:57.29
kelliwalkercoaching
We don't always um, we don't always think of physical therapists because anxiety is very physical like it is a very physical experience right? Anybody that that has it can tell you and and you can tell us right? like as someone that is trained in this Arena you can feel it in somebody. You can literally palpate it in somebody. You can.
28:05.37
Natalie Tilton
Um, yeah.
28:16.14
Natalie Tilton
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
28:16.63
kelliwalkercoaching
See it like it's measurable right? I mean this is and and so so often the physical piece gets left behind again. The the cognitive piece is so important, whatever that might look like everybody's a little bit different. Um. Whatever modality that is but I think sometimes the body gets left behind and again our body and brain are an interacting interconnected force. So like if we're able to release tension in our body somewhere if we're able to release some chronic pain that's feeding into this anxiety cycle. Then we're lowering that like that hypersensitivity that hyper vigilance that fight or flight state comes down whether we kind of work with it cognitively first or sometimes physically first because it it is such a so physical.
29:01.56
Natalie Tilton
100 person oh yeah sometimes I find patients will say you know I just want to break like I just need a break and I'm like I'm here to give that to you like who doesn't like you know massage or you know tissue tissue work on these muscles.
29:10.20
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah, yeah.
29:15.75
kelliwalkercoaching
Now. Yes.
29:20.95
Natalie Tilton
And that's your break. You know that's your that's your moment of peace and solitude and even when you know with touch and connection and your body's recognition of oh my God this this is hitting the trigger point right? at the right place.
29:30.16
kelliwalkercoaching
Oh god.
29:40.95
Natalie Tilton
Releasing those? um those ah stressors. You know your body physiologically is saying oh my God I can take a breath now you know I can lower this threshold of tension and that's that's exactly it. That's wonderful.
29:46.52
kelliwalkercoaching
Um, yeah.
29:57.86
kelliwalkercoaching
Yeah I always say I'd laugh with my husband I'm like you know there's different Love Languages I'm like touches my love language My it's my love language My nervous system responds very well to it and yes, so it's um, yeah touch touches my love language. So I put.
30:03.62
Natalie Tilton
Um, yeah, ah.
30:11.64
Natalie Tilton
Microphone Fall. Absolutely.
30:15.38
kelliwalkercoaching
Particularly appreciate what you do there? Um, yeah, so so again people can find you right at? um I'm pulling it up here wwwwww.abilityalies.com um and any social media at ability allies correct.
30:28.84
Natalie Tilton
Wonderful. Yeah I Love it. I Love hearing any kind of feedback from people you can reach me on social media very easily I love hearing anything that questions or comments I'm always very active and can reach out and help anybody. Ah, in any time of need.
30:48.90
kelliwalkercoaching
Because you do if I'm not mistaken you do like telehealth and virtual visits too for what you can right? Yep, cool? Um, well yeah, thank you so much Natalie for for taking time to hop on and and talk to us.
30:50.38
Natalie Tilton
Yes, yes, we do? Yep yeah, absolutely great. Kelly thank you so much I really appreciate it and I'm so happy that we connected and happy to help anybody out there that that. That would like to chit chat and connect.
31:10.22
kelliwalkercoaching
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